Where is the support for black Democrats?

I'm reading comments in diaries here that have made me so upset recently, that I was not sure I would continue to read here.
My blood pressure is high enough as it is.  

But this is MyDD - and we are all Democrats.  
Whether supporters of HRC, BHO, John Edwards or others, what is supposed to hold us together is our party and the battle to win against McCain in the fall.

The Democratic Party has changed since I was a child in the late 40's & 50's.  

Once a bastion of Southern white power, the flight of the Dixiecrats into the Republican Party (for the most part) the challenges to the Dems which came from the Mississipi Freedom Democratic Party, and the new coaltion that was forged as a result is something we all could be proud of.  

Let's review the recent voting records of black Americans:

   

How the African-American presidential vote split through the years between the Democratic and the Republican candidates:
    Year Democrat  Black support Repub. Black support

   1984 Walter Mondale 90%    Ronald Reagan 9%
    1988 Michael Dukakis 90%   George H.W. Bush 10%
    1992 Bill Clinton 83%      George H.W. Bush 10%
    1996 Bill Clinton 84%      Bob Dole 12%
    2000 Al Gore 90%           George W. Bush 9%

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicsele ctions/nation/president/2004-10-19-kerry -black-vote_x.htm

Most black Americans are not upper middle class.  We are working class, blue collar and service workers.  We have been solid party loyalists at a time when other Americans have voted for those candidates who have gotten us into war and the mess in our economy.  

Yes, there are some black Republicans.  My grandfather was one - who clung to the "Party of Lincoln" and wouldn't budge.
But  the overwhelming majority of us, though a minority in the US population, have been a solid backbone for Democratic candidates.  

No Democrat, of any color, has ever complained about this - in fact we have been applauded.  But now that we seem to have shifted our support during the primary season - from one Democrat to another, I am saddened and angered that it seems we are no longer a group who counts, and in fact have been castigated for a voting pattern that has been there since we won the rights to vote again, nationally, after a long struggle in the South.  

We are not "blue collar" it seems.   We certainly aren't "eggheads" and or "elitists".  We are simply "blacks", who have supported Democrat Barack Obama in the same percentages we have supported other Democrats.  

But our ultimate choice of Obama - which was not there from the beginning of the primary season, is now and indictment against us.  Were we racist when we supported Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton and Gore?  No.  

Was our vote courted during those times? Yes.  Senator Clinton, in recent statements has now redefined who working people are - it seems that they are "white".  Senator Clinton has defined that our party cannot win without those now exclusive owners of blue collars.  Senator Clinton's statements that somehow white+blue collar+ hard-working+American equals victory for OUR party in the fall.

So what are we to do?  Allow ourselves to be portrayed as not hard working and not American?  We have been here far longer than almost any group of people in the US.  I can trace the part of my family that is black back to the 1600's.  I have ancestors - black and white, who fought in the American Revolution, the Spanish American War, the Civil War, WWI and II, and Korea.  My dad was a Tuskegee Airman.  I lost several cousins in Vietnam and other family members serve in Iraq.  

My family that is of African ancestry have worked hard for all these generations.  First as slaves, then as railroad workers, teachers, doctors, mechanics, miners, steel workers and farmers.

We have not been on welfare, and the only "welfare" my family  has taken EVER was the welfare of the GI Bill, which built the current middle class.

I participated in voting rights registration in the South, along with white schoolmates from the North.  Some died during that movement.  But we won, and ensured the development of this formidable "block" of Democrats which has made our Party strong.  

Now, am I to sit idly by, and allow a Democrat to simply imply that we are irrelevant to the Party, and not the "block" of choice based on her current strategy to somehow win the nomination, and to infer that we are of no import in the General Election ahead?

I say no.  

I ask now for other Democrats, of whatever color, social class, or religion, to please speak out about this.   This is wrong.  



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mojo for support (2.00 / 5)


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:18:32 AM EST

I really don't know (2.00 / 1)

I'm trying to be understanding of Senator Clinton. She keeps on making it harder. I remind myself of good things she's done in the past, but somehow, she seems determined to erase any and all goodwill she's accumulated over the years.


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PUMA: Perverse Undemocratic McCain Adherents
by lizardbox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:21:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I really don't know (2.00 / 1)

Agreed she has no right to run for president agaisnt your candidate.  

david


by giusd on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:05:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I really don't know (2.00 / 1)

she has no right to put out ads with bin laden.


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PUMA: Perverse Undemocratic McCain Adherents
by lizardbox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:15:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I really don't know (2.00 / 1)

Really because you say so.  Come this is weak.  She has no right to do this or that.  

david


by giusd on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:16:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I really don't know (none / 0)

no, not because I say so, because we call out republicans on this shit, and we always stand to believe that we're better than that. Until somehow it becomes okay, and that's effed up.


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PUMA: Perverse Undemocratic McCain Adherents
by lizardbox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:28:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I really don't know (none / 0)

Come on.  BO called HRC divisive?  Have we heard that before.  He said we shouldnt nominate her because it would "energise republicans".  Now that is really effed up.  I am just saying there is this selective ourrage when you get to pick what is or is not a GOP talking point.  

Just saying.

david


by giusd on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:15:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I really don't know (2.00 / 1)

I don't agree with him calling her that. They had their back and forth and that's expected. When he called her Annie Oakley, that really ticked me off. And when she said McCain passed the CIC threshold and Obama has a speech, that ticked me off as well. I didn't like the negative mailers flying around from either side. That said, nothing compares to using Bin Laden in a video.


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PUMA: Perverse Undemocratic McCain Adherents
by lizardbox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:30:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Who is saying that blacks are irrelevant? (none / 0)

I don't think anyone's saying this.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:22:11 AM EST

It's implied in the constant (2.00 / 2)

refrain that Obama can't win the blue collar white vote without an accompanying constant refrain that Clinton can't win the African-American vote.

It's also implicit in Clinton's own comments that she wins the votes of the hard working Americans.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:24:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's implied in the constant (2.00 / 1)

with due respect it isn't. No one's saying black voters don't matter to Democratic success what they are saying is that Obama's alleged failure to carry "Downscale" white voters won't be enough to win him the presidency if he has black support and wealthy whites.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:33:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's implied in the constant (2.00 / 2)

I disagree. As no one is questioning Clinton's ability to win in the GE, despite her inability to win more than a few% of the African-American vote, it's clear that white voters are seen to be more important. However, statistically, Obama can win in the GE with a working class white vote in the high 30's. Clinton cannot win with an African-American vote of 7%.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:36:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's implied in the constant (2.00 / 1)

And who is making the silly claim tnat CLinton is only going to carry 7% of the black vote? she'll do worse with AA's than Reagan and Bush? Come on now.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:39:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

All people who are pretending that primary (none / 0)

performance indicates GE performance are saying that or they're taking AA's for granted just like the diarist said.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:35:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's implied in the constant (2.00 / 1)

I thougth you rarely bring up race.

david


by giusd on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who is saying that blacks are irrelevant? (none / 0)

Don't know if the word "irrelevant" has actually been used, but in this diary's comments, you'll find someone complaining that (in their view) black votes count for more than the rest of us, and expressing the opinion that they should actually count for less than the rest of us.


by Progressive Witness on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:51:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The party has split thanks to BO (2.00 / 1)

The Donna "We don't need white blue-collar voters and Hispanics" Brazile faction is taking over.


by observer5 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:22:26 AM EST

Re: The party has split thanks to BO (2.00 / 1)

Sorry - but that is a misquote and distortion of DB's statements in response to statements from Paul Begala.  

Hadn't notioed that DB had endorsed either - she used to be rather pro-Hillary.  


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:34:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The party has split thanks to BO (2.00 / 1)

She hasn't been 'Quite pro HIllary" since well before the SC primary, at the latest.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:39:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The party has split thanks to BO (2.00 / 2)

No, no, the party is split because of people like you and your attitude. Obama's crime was to have the audacity to win; therefore, he's divisive. And let's not forget Clinton's never done anything to divide and conquer, either.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:34:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The party has split thanks to BO (2.00 / 1)

Shouldn't use quote marks when it's not a quote.


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:38:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

He'll carry about 95% of the black vote, and the black vote turn out will be somewhat higher than usual.

Obama does have some trouble with traditional moderate voters, but is doing fairly well among independent voters who usually vote Republican. If he can unite the party, he should have no trouble winning the general election. However, failure to heal the party will mean a close election in the fall.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:24:56 AM EST

Re: If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

All us blacks are one right? Why don't you just stick to Obama's words.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:25:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

I guess this is the point I'd refer to. Clinton and her supporters are taking large voting demographics for granted on how they'll respond. Oh, the black vote will go Democratic no matter what. Oh, those stupid youths, they can be bothered to stop playing XBOX to vote. Oh, the Latinos, they loved Bill so they're obviously all behind Clinton as a bloc. Et cetera.

And I've never seen Obama take a single vote for granted.

Go figure.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:36:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

I totally put that comment in the wrong place! But I agree with what you said.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:38:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

Are you crazy? Obama's said that while he'll get almost of of Hillarhy's voters, she can't get his.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:40:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

Right. The independents and republican voters and the youth vote. That's not saying that her voters aren't important.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:43:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

Obama has been bleeding independent voters for quite sometime now.Where have you been?


by world dictator on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:45:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

Really? The numbers belie this argument. Where have you been?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:47:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

Even if that were true that doesn't address the point Obama was making at all when he made it.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:59:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (1.00 / 2)

Uhh, sorry, but out of the last forty-seven contests, Clinton won independents only four times. Given that quote you're referring to was directed towards that demographic, I'd say that's a pretty accurate look.

Sorry, but you don't vote for Clinton if you want change. Independents aren't enamored with the Clinton years of the 90's. Sure, Bill was an okay President, but when I think change, I sure as hell don't think the self-proclaimed lifetime Washington insider worth hundreds of millions of dollars is going to bring it to me.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:43:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

Sorry, but you don't vote for Clinton if you want change. Independents aren't enamored with the Clinton years of the 90's. Sure, Bill was an okay President, but when I think change, I sure as hell don't think the self-proclaimed lifetime Washington insider worth hundreds of millions of dollars is going to bring it to me.

Warrant?


by world dictator on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:48:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

I haven't a clue what you mean. But, heck, thanks for hide-rating (which is a blatant abuse of the ratings system, btw, but I don't expect you to care about that) my opinion instead of trying to, oh, I don't know- allay my concerns?

This is, again, what I see as a common thread from the Clinton campaign and some of her supporters. Dissenting opinion cannot be allowed to exist; challenging it and trying to bring people back into the fold would be too hard.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:53:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Question - why did you hide rate? (2.00 / 1)

I am not familiar with this process here - since I have never used it.

Would you please remove - in the interests of open discourse.  


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

I voted for Clinton and I want change. She's certain be a change and a change for the better over anything the GOP has to offer.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:56:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

This strikes me of Kerry's "Hey, I'm Not Bush!" argument, and that worked real well for him.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:59:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

Not being Bush is fine with me and Kerry, lousy candidate that he was did come pretty close to winning under much less favorable circumstances than Democrats face now. That said, Clinton's campaign is about much more than not being a Republican.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:13:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (1.00 / 1)

It's been about imitating them, if you ask me. But I can't give an unbiased opinion on that one.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:17:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

I dont' see taht at all. Clinton 's been campaiging on universal health care, getting us out of Iraq, lettting the Bush tax cuts expire, etc. This is hardly imitating the GOP.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:20:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

Tactics, my friend. Tactics.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:54:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Mayor McCheese - would you please (none / 0)

stop saying what someone has said without putting a citation.

Where has Senator Obama ever made such a statement?


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:47:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

When you talk about voting demographics you're always speaking in generalities. And considering decades of historical trends its not "over generalizing" to say the black vote probably isnt going to all of sudden vote republican or that evangelicals are going to en masse suddenly start voting democrat


by world dictator on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:44:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

Ahh. It's the way it's always been, so why bother to question it or buck it?

This is the problem I have with Clinton and her campaign. Sorry. The way Democrats have been doing things hasn't worked. Clinton never won a majority of the voters in '92 and '96; if we keep going for NY/CA/IL and eke out a win in New England and maybe PA/OH/FL, we're not going to do anything but tread water.

And this Clinton's route to the Presidency. Unacceptable.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:50:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

shut up with that fucking lame talking point (none / 0)

bill clinton had TWO opponents in both of his elections so shut your fucking mouth with this "didn't get a majority" bullshit. Its math, and when voters are given a third option like Ross Perot, who has more money in his net worth than both parties, people are gonna vote for him. I doubt if Perot were on the ballot in 1980, Reagan woulda gotten over 50 percent, as with Anderson he only got 50.7, or if he were there in 1976 Carter woulda done so, who got 50.1 percent, and you could apply this to many other candidates. its just that Bill Clinton was the only candidate unlucky to have to deal with a billionaire 3rd party twice in a row with appeal like Ross. No other candidate in recent history had to deal with such a nuisance. In 3 way races, getting 50 percent is mathematically difficult. Around the world in 3 or more way races, winning parties usually don't get majorities of vote. Hasn't happened in the UK since 1931, nor in Canada since 1984 and for years before that, so please shut up with that talking point. In most countries thruout the world, there are at least 3 parties and they rarely get over 50 percent. Does that negate any political significance or success? So because South Korea's president just got elected in a landslide, as everyone called it, getting 48 compared to his nearest opponents 26, makes his win insignificant? Exit polls in both elections showed that Perot took equally from both major candidates, if not more from Clinton. he was pro abortion and pro gay, and to the left of Clinton on free trade you know.

Face it. The Bill Clinton strategy WORKED. He got far more states than Gore and Kerry ever could. he got 30 states each time, and they were legit wins. he was a better candidate than they were, along with Mondale McGovern and Dukakis. His moderatism is why. he could attract enough whites to win. He also got a huge majority of hispanics, something kerry and gore didn't do to well. The Clinton route is better than the Obama route.

If you're gonna give me that "Bill clinton lost congress" shit, you also forget about the rise of conservatism in the '80's and Reagan, the realignment, the media coverage, and the congressional scandals. We would have gotten it back in 2002 if not for 9/11 and the War on Terror. So please, don't give that bullshit excuse.

I know someone who got banned from Free Republic for voicing that the Perot myth is nothing more than that, and he only served to get the GOP closer to winning, as Clinton polled far ahead with out him. I say here, we do the same for people who use the "Perot was a spoiler/Bill Clinton didn't get a majority" meme, as it is nothing but statiscally unsubstantiated and negated bullshit.  


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:46:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

Sorry! This was in the wrong place.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:36:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The only people saying it is Clinton Inc. (2.00 / 2)

and people on this website. Let Clinton further destroy her legacy and let MyDD sink further into irrelevance.

Democrats who aren't invested in Clinton Inc. know that African-Americans are the base of the party.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:28:11 AM EST

Re: The only people saying it is Clinton Inc. (2.00 / 1)

They aren't saying this.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:30:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Weird how so many people (2.00 / 1)

think that they are then...


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:32:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weird how so many people (2.00 / 1)

weird how so many of them are Obama supporters.

Its pretty ridiculous that people are trying to make polling demographics "PC". Kind of sad really. Particularly coming from the candidate who routinely relies on 90% of support from African Americans.


by world dictator on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:39:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weird how so many people (none / 0)

Who, Kerry? Gore? Bill Clinton?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:44:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah Matt Stoller is a kool-aid (none / 0)

drinker. Josh Marshall too. Seems that the only ones who DON'T think this is problematic language are Clinton supporters.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:44:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeah Matt Stoller is a kool-aid (2.00 / 2)

Actually Stoller, and to a lesser degree marshall,  are open about being big Obama supporters


by world dictator on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:50:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Marshall said that? Where?? (none / 0)

Bowers and Stoller rip on Obama...


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:58:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I think Bowers really dislikes Obama (none / 0)

due to Obama's post partisan message.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:26:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think Bowers really dislikes Obama (none / 0)

Yeah it really seems to piss him off. I also sense that they're not happy that Obama seems to have side-stepped the blogosphere.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:33:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weird how so many people (2.00 / 1)

Lots of people think Hussein was involved in 9/11. Does that make it true?


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:41:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

apples/oranges (none / 0)


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:45:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

non responsive (2.00 / 1)


by world dictator on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:51:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: apples/oranges (2.00 / 1)

It's totally responsive. It pokes a hole in your argument, such as it is, that the fact that a number of people believing something makes its true.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:53:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Except we all can read the Clinton (none / 0)

campaigns own words....


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:57:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Except we all can read the Clinton (2.00 / 1)

And you can add things that she hasn't said into them to suit your arguments.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:14:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No need. Her words and the words of her (none / 0)

campaign speak for themselves. Like I said. Apples/oranges. We have zero on Hussein/9-11.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:34:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

I agree with you that the black Democrats are extremly loyal. It is also true that they are rewarded by numbers of delegates disproportionate to their population. I have no problem with that. My question is whay does Sen Obama find it hard so hard to to win the white vote at this stage of the nominating process. For example in NC he had 37% of white vote in the primary. How is he going to win the GE if he has such low numbers.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:30:56 AM EST

Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

Uh. He can win the GE with 37% of the white vote...


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:32:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

He is getting 37% of vote in a Democratic primary that means in the GE he would get 25% of the vote. In the GE the vote will be diluted further with the Republicans.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:41:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

He's right. If anything, President Perot proved this after winning in 1992. Too bad that scrappy upstart Bill Clinton didn't win; heck, he faired poorly in many primary contests, and polled third several months out from the election. Obviously, as we all know, nothing changes in that amount of time.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:46:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So Clinton would get like zero African-American (2.00 / 1)

votes in the GE then right?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:46:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Why can't you logically answer question? (2.00 / 1)

Let us say you took a test with 50 questions where you scored 37% answers correctly and 50 more questions were added where your chances of answering correctly is 5%. What would be your likely score? This pretty simple math. LMAOF


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:53:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why can't you logically answer question? (none / 0)

My point is that if you believe that primary results indicate GE performance - some dilution - then Clinton will get next to no African-American votes in the GE. Is that really the argument you want to make?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:56:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why can't you logically answer question? (2.00 / 1)

African Americans are extremly loyal democrats compared to blue collar swing voters.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:11:41 PM EST
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So you assume they'll vote for her? (none / 0)

So you're taking them for granted.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:34:38 PM EST
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Re: Why can't you logically answer question? (none / 0)

That's bull...because you would be adding Clinton voters to mix as well.


I'm Ready For A Good Old GOP & John McCain Ass Kickin'!!!
by hootie4170 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:41:53 PM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

How? Kerry got 41% and lost. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/r esults/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:51:14 AM EST
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Party ID, registration, and turnout (none / 0)

is way up for Dems and Obama just started his 50 state voter registration drive.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:55:07 AM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

I read that article. That is a misleading article. He is comparing Kerry's GE numbers with Obama's primary numbers. That is comparing Apples and Oranges. LOL


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:57:14 AM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (none / 0)

Excuse me -what do you mean by "It is also true that they are rewarded by numbers of delegates disproportionate to their population."

????


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:36:16 AM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

The delegates are awrded by the past election numbers. African americans vote 90% of the time for Democrats so they are rewarded with more delegates. I have no problem with that.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:45:18 AM EST
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Where? Which congressional (2.00 / 1)

districts are you referring to?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:47:25 AM EST
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Re: Where? Which congressional (2.00 / 1)

Here is a link that explains it;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12089084 5553536435.html


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:16 PM EST
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But it's not based on race. It has to do with (2.00 / 1)

voter loyalty. Somehow that seems to suggest that Clinton's support from only working class white voters is less important than she'd like to think as they clearly aren't a loyal Dem demographic.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:09:37 PM EST
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Re: But it's not based on race. It has to do with (2.00 / 1)

Go read my comments. I never said it is based on race. It is based on loyalty.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:13:50 PM EST
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Yes but the implication in your statement (2.00 / 1)

is that African-Americans receive special treatment when in fact, any loyal democrat, receives the same treatment.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:21:06 PM EST
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African Americans get the same number (none / 0)

of delegates as everyone else.  Your statement that they get more is just bullshit.


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:00:24 PM EST
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Re: African Americans get the same number (2.00 / 1)

Here is the link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12089084 5553536435.html


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:55 PM EST
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Re: African Americans get the same number (none / 0)

Party rules would apply no matter the ethnicity.  
Since many other groups of voters have voted for Bush and Co. in the past - and have not been Democrats, the system makes sense.  To use this as simply a critique of black votes is misleading.  There are other areas of States which vote solidly Democrat (which are white), and have been for years, that get the same distribution.

One of the reasons that Mexican Americans in some parts of Texas didn't get similar bonus delegates is that they had voted Republican in previous elections. Same goes for Florida Cubans (Jeb Bush supporters)  - though that is beginning to shift.

This is not true of Puerto Ricans for example.  In my old neighborhood - PR's have voted solidly Dem, and got similar delegates.


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:19:17 PM EST
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Re: African Americans get the same number (none / 0)

Obviously you have not read my comments. I had no complaints about African Americans. My question was why Obama is not getting white vote?


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:33:35 PM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

I don't think it is just people on this website - the meme is repeated endlessly by the talking head pundits on the boob tube.  

It is really an alarming theme.  


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:31:51 AM EST

Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

And pundits true but some of them are part of Clinton Inc. and some of them are just plain stupid.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:33:30 AM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

Media supports Obama 90% and Hillary 10%. What media are you talking about? Prove your point by giving examples. Media has bashed Clintons this whole election cycle while giving a pillow to Barack.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:37:47 AM EST
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Oh yeah. Rev. Wright was a pillow (none / 0)

where's the Doug Coe video talking about Hitler and Mao?

Begala's ugly mug is all over my TV regularly. Matthew's wonders if Obama can win the votes of "regular" Americans or just African-Americans. Russert is so afraid of black people that every other word is "Wright".


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:51:14 AM EST
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Re: Oh yeah. Rev. Wright was a pillow (none / 0)

OK what about Olbermann, and please, Matthews loves Obama, he made an objective remark, how about seeing Jammal Simmons and Roland Martin on TV FAR more than Paul Begala, Jack Cafferty's anti Clitnon pro Obama vitrol polls every day


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:48:45 PM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (none / 0)

The only pillow that was offered to Senator Obama was on Saturday Night Live.

A review of media coverage gives thousands of more hits to Rev. Wright, elitist, bitter than to issues surrounding the Clintons.

Suggest you collect some data first before resorting to pillows.  The only other pillow Barack Obama got was from Hillary Clinton during the debate when she referenced SNL.  


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:54:13 AM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (none / 0)

maybe the media is just being objective talking about Wright, as having a white hating racist pastor is worse than some stupid business deals which don't deal in hate. And using those deals in commercials would not work like having a racist like Wright in them like the GOP will


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:51:12 PM EST
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Agreed :) (none / 0)


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:36:54 AM EST

Question to readers about MyDD demographics (none / 0)

I have only been a member formally of MyDD or any blogs since about March, though I started reading blogs suggested by my students last year.  

What are the ethnic demographics here?  Do many AA's post here?  Curious about Spanish speakers - of what nationality?  

I realize that this is a heavily pro Clinton site,
but does that mean that most Obama supporters have left, or that the people of color here, how ever many there are, are pro Clinton?

Just curious.  Because I often read posts here talking about "the blacks this" and "the Hispanics that" but have rarely read diaries here by members of those communities. Regarding latinos, with the exception of a diarist who seems to be ardently pro-Clinton who assures everyone that Senator Obama won't get votes from "Hispanics" because they dont' like blacks - sorry to paraphrase him - but it seems to be his intent, I don't hear much from us -- just about us.  

I find his stance odd since my other family members are Latino - and ardent Obama supporters.  Of couse some of them are Afro-Puerto Rican and Afro-Cuban (not all) so this may make a difference in their perceptions, but they too have reacted and shifted from support of Senator Clinton (they voted for her in the NY Senate race) but after statements from her campaign - switched to Obama.  


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:39:51 PM EST

Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (none / 0)

What the heck are people complaining about?

African American voters represent the minority of voters in the minority party in the Republican states yet they get to choose the Democratic party nominee.

I would say they are way over represented and over supported.


by wblynch on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:18:18 PM EST

Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (none / 0)

So you don't think we should try to turn red states blue?  So you disagree with African Americans in red states who primarily live in urban areas being able to vote for national Democratic representation?  

I am totally confused by your statement.  What about local and state officials?


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:45:30 PM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (none / 0)

preaching the converting is not gonna win the election. The blacks are still outnumbered there, and voting for Dems in the same numbers, and whites voting Republicans in the same numbers doesn't change a damn thing. Its whites there we need to convert, as the blacks already are loyal there


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:53:58 PM EST
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Re: Where is the support for black Democrats? (none / 0)

Of course we should try to turn red states blue.

It just isn't going to happen this year.


by wblynch on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:13:20 PM EST
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