Just How Bad Are Those NBC/WSJ Numbers for McCain?

In short, the numbers released last night by NBC News and The Wall Street Journal are really bad for John McCain. Here's the key graph:

However, Obama has a seven-point advantage (46-39) among all white women. How important is that lead? Newhouse explains that Republican candidates always expect to win white men by a substantial margin, but it is white women that usually decide the race. "If a Republican wins among white women, we usually win that election," he says, noting that George W. Bush carried that group in 2000 and 2004.

A seven-point for Barack Obama among White women might not seem overwhelmingly remarkable at this juncture, even when taken together with the quote from GOP pollster Neil Newhouse regarding the importance of this demographic to the electoral success of the Republican Party. (Newhouse also mentions the suburban White women's vote, which I discuss a bit below the fold.) But looking through recent exit polling it becomes clear that these numbers could be borderline disastrous for the McCain campaign.

During his 2004 reelection victory, George W. Bush carried White women by a 55 percent to 44 percent margin over John Kerry -- meaning that Obama is already running ahead (or at least even) with Kerry in this demographic while McCain is running more than 15 points behind Bush within this key subgroup. In 2000, Bush narrowly won White women, 49 percent to 48 percent, and even during the Democrats' sound victory in the 2006 midterm elections GOP House candidates won White women's votes by a 50 percent to 49 percent margin. So not only is McCain running well behind where Bush ran in this demographic during his reelection campaign, McCain is also running significantly behind where Bush ran during his popular vote loss and where his party performed during their big loss in 2006. Just which candidate is it that has a problem among White women voters?

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Newhouse does point to numbers out of this poll showing McCain defeating Obama 44 percent to 38 percent among White suburban women, a demographic he says makes up about 10 percent of the electorate. But doing a little bit of math, estimation and triangulation, it becomes clear that this is nowhere near a significant number. There were 1,000 registered voters polled, meaning that there were somewhere in the neighbor of 100 White suburban women polled (judging by Newhouse's projection), a number that yields a margin of error of roughly plus or minus 10 percentage points. In other words, it's rather difficult to draw much of a conclusion based on the NBC/WSJ numbers in this regard.


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Obama only goes up from here (2.00 / 1)

As Democrats, Indies and some Republicnas coalesce around him.


by parahammer on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:41:49 AM EST

"Suburban" white women (2.00 / 1)

was the tag used on MSNBC by various talking heads to discuss this poll - which totally negated the overall advantage to Obama - usual pundit idiocy.

"What is Obama's problem with suburban white women?", was the whine.  

Amazing.  Well, maybe not so amazing.  I guess they have nothing better to talk about.


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:41:57 AM EST

Re: "Suburban" white women (2.00 / 2)

Yeah, I noticed that too.  That's their story and they're sticking to it.

Look at the bright side: it means that the press finds McCain boring.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:14:30 AM EST
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Carly and suburban white women... (none / 0)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/06/11/AR2008061103854. html

"Sen. John McCain and his aides have gone out of their way to praise Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in recent days, and by the end of the week his most prominent female supporter, former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina, will embark on a female-focused speaking tour in Ohio and Pennsylvania."

"JOHN MCCAIN 2008 TO HOST VIRTUAL TOWN HALL WITH DEMOCRATIC AND INDEPENDENT VOTERS

ARLINGTON, VA -- U.S. Senator John McCain's campaign today announced that John McCain, along with RNC Victory Chair Carly Fiorina, will participate in a virtual town hall with Democrats and Independents this Saturday to discuss McCain's record of putting country before political party. Many town hall participants are expected to be former supporters of Senator Hillary Clinton's campaign."

from today's "The Page."


by mady on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:54:57 PM EST
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Interesting (2.00 / 1)

I hope this poll reflects just the beginning of Obama's post primary bump, because he's about as far ahead as Kerry was in June of 2004.


by phoenixdreamz on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:46:49 AM EST

A lot more hits (none / 0)

But he has also taken a lot more hits than Kerry had.    He has basically already been swiftboated with all the news about Rev. Wright and most of that is now behind us.  Considering the news has spend over 2.5 months on that story, most Americans who will vote now know all they want to know.


by monkeyga on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:29:17 AM EST
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You're wrong (2.00 / 1)

In June of 2004, Bush led Kerry by one point.


by Angry White Democrat on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:56:20 PM EST
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Re: Just How Bad Are Those NBC/WSJ (none / 0)

Guys this is the start of a bounce but one could hardly call it huge given MOE's. Given the state of the Republican party and McCain's parlousness as a candidate this is ok but not astounding. I do think it needs more time while basically the Clinton supporters among dems and women generally come around but by the end of June he needs to ahead by double digits for the bogeyman to go away.    


by ottovbvs on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:07:41 AM EST

Re: Just How Bad Are Those NBC/WSJ (none / 0)

It's small but stable.  The significance of his support among Democrats and women is that it ought to leave him free to pivot to the general election, which he needs to do.  Which brings me to the next point:

What matters as far as winning is his quality as a candidate.  Clinton started in third place but picked up ground because he ran a great campaign - you knew it was going to happen before it did.  Kerry started out in front, but the ground just sank beneath his feet.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:13:18 AM EST
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Re: Just How Bad Are Those NBC/WSJ Numbers for McC (none / 0)

Interesting things from the poll (I'm approximating the numbers from memory):

12 percent of Democrats are undecided - Obama gets 80 and McCain gets 8.  Looking at independants, Obama has a 10 point edge, with about 30 PERCENT undecided.  That has to have implications for his VP choice.

His appeal with women is a good sign, but not good enough.  Someone a while back did a study on late deciders, and they found that they tend overwhelmingly to be women, and they break largely for the incumbent - McCain in this case.  Obama may be leading now, but he's got to get well over 50 percent before I relax.

Either women put him in the Whitehouse, or he won't get there.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:08:48 AM EST

Re: Just How Bad Are Those NBC/WSJ Numbers for McC (none / 0)

McCain is the incumbent?  Under what definition of the word?


by FlashStash on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:34:12 AM EST
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Re: It would be a blow out. (none / 0)

I know Im living in the past, but this is exactly why I felt there was NO WAY Hillary could have lost to McCain, because she would have carried the white woman vote BY HUGE numbers going away.


by nzubechukwu on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:33:04 AM EST

Re: It would be a blow out. (none / 0)

The polls never really bore that out.  When she went on a rush near the end of the primary, she switched places with Obama and started running a consistent 2 or 3 points better, but that was all.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:35:29 AM EST
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Re: Just How Bad Are Those NBC/WSJ Numbers for McC (none / 0)

I interesting thing to me is undecided black vote.  That will all go to Obama.  The other factor is how much higher will black turnout be.  That could be the difference between a close election and a blowout win for Obama.


by Marylander on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:13:29 AM EST

Bush won White women by 11 points (none / 0)

OK, I admit that I did not know that fact.  But, if true why did we spend so much time spinning our wheels arguing whether or not this was to core to the Democratic Party.  

It appears that White women are not the Democratic core voters that many people have been making them out to be.


by monkeyga on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:22:25 AM EST


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